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Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 07:42:00

Great news everyone! I finally talk about AI hype. Someone finally mentioned LLMs one time too many, and the reckoning is upon us:

ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/i-will

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 08:10:31

@ludicity well said. Also, if I hear more about Gartner magic AI squares and positioning relative to them, Iโ€™ll be ill. Plus, Iโ€™m looking forward to the talk once/if it happens.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 08:40:54

@ludicity I miss the old days when it was decided an app needed AI. So a data scientist made a simple linear regression, and we would add it to the app. Then, BOOM, singularity achieved. At least from an executive perspective. I always had a good laugh at them, but at least the ML did something. The only good thing I'll say about LLMs is copilot will write my unit tests. Which is why I am now arming myself for the robot revolution. As this will be considered a capital crime by them.

Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 14:26:21

@richard_staackmann @ludicity

All hail the robot revolution!

(If you read this, I was always on your side. :mastowink: โค๏ธ ๐Ÿค– )

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 08:44:29

@ludicity Very enjoyable read, thank you.

I wish there was some mention of the energy costs / climate impact of the tech tho, which TBH is what worries me the most.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 18:33:04

@xarvh @ludicity Your point is valid, but long before the energy problem shuts down GenAI data centers, the lack of paying customers will pull the trigger.

Then the question becomes what to do with all the large, lightless, but well cooled empty buildings.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 19:02:15

@rhempel @ludicity I don't give a rat's ass about AI shutting down.
I am worried that all the energy consumed is adding up to the climate collapse.
It's just the most obvious example of how we're destroying the planet to follow the whims of a few charismatic egomaniac assholes.

When the AI bubble pops, the above mentioned assholes will jump on the next hype wagon and find another way to abuse the stupidly large amount of computing power deployed for LLMs and continue to fry the planet to show how visionary they are to their equally idiot peers and sycophants.

Crypto, blockchains, LLMs... The hardware is there, they'll find something.

Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 00:47:35

@xarvh @rhempel True, though I should point out the LLM revolution is slightly unique. They don't need engineering discipline - you just make an OpenAI request. If they move on to something else, it might suck, but it is actually harder to damage the environment through something like a data governance hypefest (unless it's GPU or blockchain powered).

These are idle thoughts though, it could still go terribly and I haven't thought on what's next deeply.

Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 00:45:54

@rhempel @xarvh We put all the D&D nerds in there, ayyyy lmao (don't be mad, internet, I'm a D&D nerd)

Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 03:56:47

@rhempel@0mstdn.ca @xarvh @ludicity

> Then the question becomes what to do with all the large, lightless, but well cooled empty buildings.

Not the actual point of the original post or your comment, I realize, but my first thought was that if you can add effective air ventilation and filtration (as well as lighting, presumably), these may repurpose as public cooling centers in extreme heat events, which we will have increasing call for from climate change.

Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 04:01:08

@ShaulaEvans @rhempel @xarvh @ludicity half of them into non-AI datacentres, and half of them into house or hostel space

Föderation EN Fr 21.06.2024 02:33:15

@ludicity @xarvh @rhempel My corporate overlords have been financially vetting every โ€œAI companyโ€ that wishes to buy space in one of our DCs to make sure that by the end of the contract they will still be able to pay their bills. We have not yet found one we want to do business with.

Föderation EN Sa 22.06.2024 17:14:04

@rhempel @xarvh @ludicity

Corporate America has invested far too much money in AI to simply shut it down. They will always find a way to profit from it-- they already are.

Not only are they selling indiv subscriptions for versions of their chatbots, image generators, etc., but they are also selling the use of their AI to other companies to incorporate into their systems.

They're using their own AI to compile everyone's data and to find new ways to sell us stuff.

It's NOT going away.

Föderation EN Sa 22.06.2024 18:08:07

@TheManyVoices @xarvh @ludicity I hope you are wrong - you are of course correct that there is a huge investment in AI, and it's embarrassing for leaders to back down on their big bets ...

The good news is that top level leadership changes every 4 to 7 years, and guess what new leaders like to do :-) They shut down their predecessor's pet projects that are going nowhere.

Corporate America was happy be in the school lunch racket as long as it was profitable.

BTW I fully support school lunches.

Föderation EN Sa 22.06.2024 23:24:57

@TheManyVoices @rhempel @xarvh Of course it will not go "away" - your observations are right. The investment has been spectacular. But some of it will go away when it doesn't pan out. Every organization I know is spinning up pointless chatbots in-house. Some of that stuff will evaporate as the C-suite leaves and the new batch axes old projects (as @rhempel says) to look like they're shaking things up.

They'll invest in something silly immediately after, but it'll be a NEW silly thing.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 08:48:43

@ludicity this was a fun read. Thank you for articulating many of the thoughts I was struggling to convey. Itโ€™s a weird time to see all of this happening

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 10:08:36

@skinnylatte Hah, I was mostly ranting, but hopefully some of the thoughts might be useful the next time the topic comes up.

Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 16:29:13

@ludicity @skinnylatte if that was you ranting I shudder imaginging the time when you get incoherently angry.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 09:09:11

@ludicity I don't know that unhinged rants really help convince anyone who's not already sick and tired of that shit, but as an avid reader of yours, I have to admit it does wonders as a mean of venting frustration by proxy (and it's always good to feel like you're not alone...)
Cheers for that!

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 09:37:42

@fthevenet It doesn't change anyone's mind ๐Ÿ˜ž But it makes me feel better too!

Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 03:28:18

@ludicity @fthevenet I think it helps a little in disinclining people from throwing out the ML baby with the gen-AI bathwater...

Though that might still happen, it has in the past...

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 09:10:13

@ludicity extremely funny and well-written! I will send this to my colleagues in my company that's slamming the door on its foot repeatedly trying to get in on the AI craze (i am in hell)

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 10:03:03

@mehluv Thank you for the kind words!

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 09:29:44

@ludicity I love reading this. It hits very hard, and on the right place. Thank you !

cc @lkanies

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 09:43:55

@ludicity good thing "GenAI experience sharing session", and helpful brainstorming with my team and management is not tomorrow. :blobsalute: . I can't wait to hear about all the use cases we found. This article is wrongthink

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 10:31:32

@ludicity At last, an informed and balanced critique that potential adopters of AI everywhere were waiting for (but didn't know). Thank you.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 11:00:47

@underlap @ludicity "If you liked that, you'll love this...":

Why ChatGPT is literally a bullshitter

link.springer.com/article/10.1

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 11:25:56

@underlap The first time I've ever been called balanced, what a time to be alive. (Also thank you!)

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 10:54:37

@ludicity Good stuff and pretty much where Iโ€™ve been for a while now. The grift around LLMs is infuriating. With a few exceptions, I immediately distrust anyone who talks about โ€œAIโ€.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 10:59:08

@ludicity Thanks for a refreshing & entertaining reality check on the AI grift.

I'm a grumpy old semi-competent Scrum-averse Database Guy (mmm, lovely schemas ...) grinding through the twilight years of my career in the bowels of the data mines, keeping Broken Old Shit running because nobody can afford to fix things properly, while waves of functionally pointless & financially/environmentally disastrous LLM slurry flood in around us.

So good to know we're not alone in our weary scepticism!

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 11:02:29

@ludicity Excellent post :ablobcatattention: I completely get your point - as someone who spent over a decade in data warehousing, seeing "enablers" suddenly pushing data lakes as a solution to everything (completely without ACID in the beginning) gives me similar feelings :ablobcatcoffee: Industry is poisoned with Gartner's blabber and various kinds of techbros catch up quickly :blobcatdunno:

Thanks for writing this :blobcatfingerguns2:

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 11:12:04

Someone get the burn cream, stat, โ€˜cause AI bros got roasted in the hot and spicy (well, unsure on hot but definitely ghost pepper spicy) take on the generative hype train by @ludicity ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐ŸŒถ๏ธ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜‚ ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/i-will

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 11:31:41

@ludicity pure brilliance, thanks. Iโ€™m going to paraphrase your student cheating idea next time some upper management ignoramus suggests it in a faculty meeting.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 12:13:30

@ludicity as someone in cybersecurity, I can say that you are correct that zero trust has meaning, but that meaning is not how people who develop products treat it.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:00:02

@TindrasGrove Good to know! It's interesting because I really am not a sophisticated actor in the security space, but it's still quite obvious when some people are full of it. Although, of course, I'm sure slightly more savvy grifters sneak past my detectors.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:46:09

@ludicity I think thereโ€™s some significant overlap in our fields (especially when it comes to who is actually using the not-snake-oil), so thereโ€™s some amount of transferability in BS detection skills.

Last week I went to a local data analytics conference, and the talk I got the most out of was the one person who said โ€œyou donโ€™t need AI for any of this!!โ€

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:14:16

@jamie @ludicity yessss

The people who try to sell zero trust as a product, not an architectural philosophy, seem to mean SSO, but โœจfancyโœจ

Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:32:10

@TindrasGrove @jamie I just spoke to my brother (read team supernerd) and asked him to explain ZT, as I got many, many emails about it and some disagreed with each other.

Within 30 seconds I said "Wait, so it's a philosophy, not a feature".

I literally just do databases and it's obvious, what the hell are all these dweebs learning?

Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:42:08

@ludicity @TindrasGrove Databases definitely have fewer disagreement in definitions (and arbitrary definitions are pretty rare) because SQL is standardized but they arenโ€™t immune to it, either.

For example, SERIALIZABLE transaction isolation means different things in Postgres and MySQL. And some of MySQLโ€™s consistency guarantees are only truly guaranteed up to some level of write throughput to a given table. Itโ€™s wild out there.

Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 15:24:39

@ludicity @jamie YES!!

Itโ€™s really easy to tell whoโ€™s full of it because they try to sell ZT as a product, not as an architectural philosophy.

They *want* it to be a product, because itโ€™s possible to โ€œachieveโ€ implementing a product. You canโ€™t โ€œachieveโ€ a philosophy. You just improve your process, incrementally, for ever and ever.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 12:16:07

@ludicity If you don't mind me nitpicky (!): there's a typo in "What are are doing as a society?"

I never know whether to mention these or not, since not fixing them doesn't really affect readability or meaning but does cost attention to address ๐Ÿ˜…

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 12:59:01

@MHLoppy Fixed! I actually really appreciate these typo catches. Editing directly in the Mataroa means that I don't have normal checks, I just use the mark one eyeball. I'll come up with a better workflow sometime soon.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 12:38:31

@ludicity ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐ŸคŒ๐ŸคŒ๐Ÿ’ฏ

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 12:58:17

@ludicity reads the title: oh, this is gonna be good

2 paragraphs in: yeah I'm enjoying this

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:03:46

@ludicity This is both excellent and the funniest thing I have read in a long time.

Bless you and your Iron Man reference you magnificent creature.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:06:24

@Linza Thank you! I didn't actually like the Iron Man movies too much, but that line lives rent-free in my head and I deploy it constantly, haha

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:30:10

@ludicity It was delivered with such energy and a little bit of the actor's own wry acknowledgment of the silliness of the film's basic premise.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:05:37

@ludicity a truly magnificent post. ๐Ÿ‘

Thank you.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:14:06

@ludicity

I know most CIOs at Corporations of Significant Size are the same, but dang if you arenโ€™t describing the one at the one I work at.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:36:48

@ludicity

Your podcast's name made me laugh harder than any joke I heard in the last year. My god.

Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:40:42

@barcode I'm glad it brought you joy because it is SO badly optimized for getting listeners.

Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 15:07:33

@ludicity

You'll do fine in time. Surgeons shouldn't try look surgeony.

Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 23:49:05

@barcode Confirmed true. Every year my father attends a wedding, blames the tailor because his tuxedo doesn't fit, I tactfully raise that perhaps he has been enjoying food in a manner that might not be entirely conducive to long-term health, repeat ad infinitum.

The man's like one of the most famous surgeons in SEA.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:42:29

@ludicity The LLM output of the articles sounds a bit passive-aggressive, can you adjust a bit your prompt for the blog post?

Ok, that joke was tasteless, what I literally hate is that EVERYTHING under the sun nowadays is called an AI. You know, things that 5โ€“10 years would just go by โ€œalgorithmโ€. Or โ€œheuristicโ€. Today for marketing purposes the same f%cking two if statements are already โ€œAIโ€.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:53:26

@ludicity I'm just here like, I want to learn the basics of the systems because the math seems cool and I want to make a bot to play an old game poorly. :V

I really do hope the industry gets over itself soon, the amount of inertia this forest fire of a dump has is terrifying.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 14:04:47

@ludicity I may not vibe with the style, but itโ€™s a great article anyway. Thanks!

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 14:29:30

@ludicity "I don't actually know what 'zero-trust' architecture means, but I've heard stupid people say it enough that it's probably also a term that means something in theory but has been sullied beyond all use in day-to-day life."

Yeah, that's spot-on actually. Zero-trust used to mean "don't allow anybody to do something just because of their IP address" - i.e. place zero trust in the network. Now it somehow means more VPNs. No, I don' t know either.

Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 06:03:47

@muvlon @ludicity That is painfully accurate on Zero Trust.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 14:39:51

@ludicity Thank you. I am not a software person at all, but this answers all my suspicions about AI, and tells me I was right.

Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:38:41

@Erik_Buchanan I feel like being on Mastodon makes you an Honorary Technology Person.

(Also I just read the blurb for The Wire Noose and bought a copy ๐Ÿ˜ )

Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 16:39:21

@ludicity Thank you so much!

On both counts!

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 14:55:40

@ludicity as the only local support for 150+ users I'm fed up with users and managers trying to sell me "AI".. and I'm getting angrier and more confrontational every time, now I just ask them "how much energy and water was wasted in what you just did?"

But lovand behold! This is the future!!

Fuck that noise

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:06:42

@ludicity > if you continue to try { thisBullshit(); } you are going to catch (theseHands)

My God. Yes. YEEESSSSSSSSSS

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:12:46

@ludicity Your rants are a beacon of sanity in a bleak world of technology circle jerking.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:15:27

@ludicity Gosh this read is cathartic as fuck

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:17:14

Tech, negative adjacent

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:33:58

@ludicity that try/catch line was absolutely fucking majestic

Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:35:21

@gsuberland THANK YOU. I was so proud but out of 800K total hits, I think I only received like 5-6 people mentioning it. I was so proud of myself, I don't even write JavaScript.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:41:32

@ludicity โ€œHow about you remain competitive by fixing your shit?โ€

Almost word for word what I keep saying at work ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:42:13

@ludicity
I hear it in the dark when no one is around.
"Just Use Postgres, You Nerd. You Dweeb."

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:56:10

@ludicity Good read.

"...these tools aren't good enough (yet) to assist me with this seriously."

LLMs will never have the ability to design software or help designing it, as they cannot be creative (there's no thought process involved).

Training them more and more or adding more computational resources will not change this. It's a bit like with Mr. Creosote in the Monty Python sketch.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 16:36:51

@thomasfuchs @ludicity
I wouldn't say "never"

They're great at "solving" (regurgitating answers to) problems that a human has already solved and that were scraped into the training data, but they're useless at problems not in their training dataset.
youtu.be/PeSNEXKxarU

So LLMs should be useful at designing software provided some data annotator in India has already done the work for the specific prompt you're requesting.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 16:04:34

@ludicity totally lost it at Synergy Greg. Going to use that a lot from now on.

Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:34:09

@serpentroots Normalize calling people Synergy Greg!

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 16:18:24

@ludicity Cathartic read! Thank you ๐Ÿ™

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 16:22:59

@ludicity Your post perfectly covers all the various misgivings I felt as this AI snake-oil rush kept gaining speed. Appreciate it a ton. I hope you have a wonderful and joyous week ahead.

Föderation DE Mi 19.06.2024 16:24:19

@ludicity Thank you for taking the time to so eloquently express this.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 16:31:23

@ludicity "average person speaks 10 phonemes per second" factoid actualy just statistical error. average person speaks 0 phonemes per second. Synergy Greg, who lives on blockchain & speaks over 10,000 phonemes per second, is an outlier adn should not have been counted

Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:33:47

@jef I read this on the day but was too overwhelmed to reply, but this SENT me lmao.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:04:31

@ludicity fucking hilarious. 10\10

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:09:26

@ludicity man, this rules so much. Thank you.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:22:07

@ludicity That point about organizations that i) cannot reliably manage a CRUD application thinking ii) that rolling a LLM into their stack is gonna revolutionize their warez is *fantastically* spot-on

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:46:54

@ludicity I appreciate the segment about you visiting a less developed nation and how that made you feel about how funds in tech are distributed.

Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:31:03

@JacquesSmuts Animals Fiji takes $50 to fully spay/neuter/flea treat a dog. The database I found idling here (ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/i-acci) for $500,000 can be measured as TEN THOUSAND DEAD DOGS.

These people can go fuck themselves.

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:48:07

@ludicity
This really was a fun read, thank you!

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 18:03:37

@ludicity I cannot describe how cathartic I found reading this, bless you

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 18:07:00

@ludicity I (unwittingly) designed a Tshirt just for you...

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Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 18:07:20

@ludicity I really like your writing style. Hearing someone articulate these things is very cathartic

Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 18:12:43

@ludicity itโ€™s โ€œzeitgeistโ€ FWIW