Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 07:42:00 Great news everyone! I finally talk about AI hype. Someone finally mentioned LLMs one time too many, and the reckoning is upon us: https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/i-will-fucking-piledrive-you-if-you-mention-ai-again/ |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 08:10:31 @ludicity well said. Also, if I hear more about Gartner magic AI squares and positioning relative to them, Iโll be ill. Plus, Iโm looking forward to the talk once/if it happens. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 08:40:54 @ludicity I miss the old days when it was decided an app needed AI. So a data scientist made a simple linear regression, and we would add it to the app. Then, BOOM, singularity achieved. At least from an executive perspective. I always had a good laugh at them, but at least the ML did something. The only good thing I'll say about LLMs is copilot will write my unit tests. Which is why I am now arming myself for the robot revolution. As this will be considered a capital crime by them. |
Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 14:26:21 All hail the robot revolution! (If you read this, I was always on your side. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 08:44:29 @ludicity Very enjoyable read, thank you. I wish there was some mention of the energy costs / climate impact of the tech tho, which TBH is what worries me the most. |
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Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 19:02:15 @rhempel @ludicity I don't give a rat's ass about AI shutting down. When the AI bubble pops, the above mentioned assholes will jump on the next hype wagon and find another way to abuse the stupidly large amount of computing power deployed for LLMs and continue to fry the planet to show how visionary they are to their equally idiot peers and sycophants. Crypto, blockchains, LLMs... The hardware is there, they'll find something. |
Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 00:47:35 @xarvh @rhempel True, though I should point out the LLM revolution is slightly unique. They don't need engineering discipline - you just make an OpenAI request. If they move on to something else, it might suck, but it is actually harder to damage the environment through something like a data governance hypefest (unless it's GPU or blockchain powered). These are idle thoughts though, it could still go terribly and I haven't thought on what's next deeply. |
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Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 03:56:47 @rhempel@0mstdn.ca @xarvh @ludicity > Then the question becomes what to do with all the large, lightless, but well cooled empty buildings. Not the actual point of the original post or your comment, I realize, but my first thought was that if you can add effective air ventilation and filtration (as well as lighting, presumably), these may repurpose as public cooling centers in extreme heat events, which we will have increasing call for from climate change. |
Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 04:01:08 @ShaulaEvans @rhempel @xarvh @ludicity half of them into non-AI datacentres, and half of them into house or hostel space |
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Föderation EN Sa 22.06.2024 17:14:04 Corporate America has invested far too much money in AI to simply shut it down. They will always find a way to profit from it-- they already are. Not only are they selling indiv subscriptions for versions of their chatbots, image generators, etc., but they are also selling the use of their AI to other companies to incorporate into their systems. They're using their own AI to compile everyone's data and to find new ways to sell us stuff. It's NOT going away. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.06.2024 18:08:07 @TheManyVoices @xarvh @ludicity I hope you are wrong - you are of course correct that there is a huge investment in AI, and it's embarrassing for leaders to back down on their big bets ... The good news is that top level leadership changes every 4 to 7 years, and guess what new leaders like to do :-) They shut down their predecessor's pet projects that are going nowhere. Corporate America was happy be in the school lunch racket as long as it was profitable. BTW I fully support school lunches. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.06.2024 23:24:57 @TheManyVoices @rhempel @xarvh Of course it will not go "away" - your observations are right. The investment has been spectacular. But some of it will go away when it doesn't pan out. Every organization I know is spinning up pointless chatbots in-house. Some of that stuff will evaporate as the C-suite leaves and the new batch axes old projects (as @rhempel says) to look like they're shaking things up. They'll invest in something silly immediately after, but it'll be a NEW silly thing. |
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Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 08:48:43 @ludicity this was a fun read. Thank you for articulating many of the thoughts I was struggling to convey. Itโs a weird time to see all of this happening |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 10:08:36 @skinnylatte Hah, I was mostly ranting, but hopefully some of the thoughts might be useful the next time the topic comes up. |
Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 16:29:13 @ludicity @skinnylatte if that was you ranting I shudder imaginging the time when you get incoherently angry. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 09:09:11 @ludicity I don't know that unhinged rants really help convince anyone who's not already sick and tired of that shit, but as an avid reader of yours, I have to admit it does wonders as a mean of venting frustration by proxy (and it's always good to feel like you're not alone...) |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 09:37:42 @fthevenet It doesn't change anyone's mind ๐ But it makes me feel better too! |
Föderation EN Do 20.06.2024 03:28:18 @ludicity @fthevenet I think it helps a little in disinclining people from throwing out the ML baby with the gen-AI bathwater... Though that might still happen, it has in the past... |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 09:10:13 @ludicity extremely funny and well-written! I will send this to my colleagues in my company that's slamming the door on its foot repeatedly trying to get in on the AI craze (i am in hell) |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 10:03:03 @mehluv Thank you for the kind words! |
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Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 09:43:55 @ludicity good thing "GenAI experience sharing session", and helpful brainstorming with my team and management is not tomorrow. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 10:31:32 @ludicity At last, an informed and balanced critique that potential adopters of AI everywhere were waiting for (but didn't know). Thank you. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 11:00:47 @underlap @ludicity "If you liked that, you'll love this...": Why ChatGPT is literally a bullshitter https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10676-024-09775-5 |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 11:25:56 @underlap The first time I've ever been called balanced, what a time to be alive. (Also thank you!) |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 10:54:37 @ludicity Good stuff and pretty much where Iโve been for a while now. The grift around LLMs is infuriating. With a few exceptions, I immediately distrust anyone who talks about โAIโ. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 10:59:08 @ludicity Thanks for a refreshing & entertaining reality check on the AI grift. I'm a grumpy old semi-competent Scrum-averse Database Guy (mmm, lovely schemas ...) grinding through the twilight years of my career in the bowels of the data mines, keeping Broken Old Shit running because nobody can afford to fix things properly, while waves of functionally pointless & financially/environmentally disastrous LLM slurry flood in around us. So good to know we're not alone in our weary scepticism! |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 11:02:29 @ludicity Excellent post |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 11:12:04 Someone get the burn cream, stat, โcause AI bros got roasted in the hot and spicy (well, unsure on hot but definitely ghost pepper spicy) take on the generative #AI hype train by @ludicity ๐ฅ๐ถ๏ธ๐๐ https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/i-will-fucking-piledrive-you-if-you-mention-ai-again/ |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 11:31:41 @ludicity pure brilliance, thanks. Iโm going to paraphrase your student cheating idea next time some upper management ignoramus suggests it in a faculty meeting. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 12:13:30 @ludicity as someone in cybersecurity, I can say that you are correct that zero trust has meaning, but that meaning is not how people who develop products treat it. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:00:02 @TindrasGrove Good to know! It's interesting because I really am not a sophisticated actor in the security space, but it's still quite obvious when some people are full of it. Although, of course, I'm sure slightly more savvy grifters sneak past my detectors. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:46:09 @ludicity I think thereโs some significant overlap in our fields (especially when it comes to who is actually using the not-snake-oil), so thereโs some amount of transferability in BS detection skills. Last week I went to a local data analytics conference, and the talk I got the most out of was the one person who said โyou donโt need AI for any of this!!โ |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:08:56 @TindrasGrove @ludicity Gonna have to add it to my list, then |
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Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:32:10 @TindrasGrove @jamie I just spoke to my brother (read team supernerd) and asked him to explain ZT, as I got many, many emails about it and some disagreed with each other. Within 30 seconds I said "Wait, so it's a philosophy, not a feature". I literally just do databases and it's obvious, what the hell are all these dweebs learning? |
Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:42:08 @ludicity @TindrasGrove Databases definitely have fewer disagreement in definitions (and arbitrary definitions are pretty rare) because SQL is standardized but they arenโt immune to it, either. For example, SERIALIZABLE transaction isolation means different things in Postgres and MySQL. And some of MySQLโs consistency guarantees are only truly guaranteed up to some level of write throughput to a given table. Itโs wild out there. |
Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 15:24:39 Itโs really easy to tell whoโs full of it because they try to sell ZT as a product, not as an architectural philosophy. They *want* it to be a product, because itโs possible to โachieveโ implementing a product. You canโt โachieveโ a philosophy. You just improve your process, incrementally, for ever and ever. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 12:16:07 @ludicity If you don't mind me nitpicky (!): there's a typo in "What are are doing as a society?" I never know whether to mention these or not, since not fixing them doesn't really affect readability or meaning but does cost attention to address ๐ |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 12:59:01 @MHLoppy Fixed! I actually really appreciate these typo catches. Editing directly in the Mataroa means that I don't have normal checks, I just use the mark one eyeball. I'll come up with a better workflow sometime soon. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 12:18:26 ๐ |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 12:38:31 @ludicity ๐๐๐ค๐ค๐ฏ |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 12:58:17 @ludicity reads the title: oh, this is gonna be good 2 paragraphs in: yeah I'm enjoying this |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:03:46 @ludicity This is both excellent and the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Bless you and your Iron Man reference you magnificent creature. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:06:24 @Linza Thank you! I didn't actually like the Iron Man movies too much, but that line lives rent-free in my head and I deploy it constantly, haha |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:30:10 @ludicity It was delivered with such energy and a little bit of the actor's own wry acknowledgment of the silliness of the film's basic premise. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:05:37 @ludicity a truly magnificent post. ๐ Thank you. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:14:06 I know most CIOs at Corporations of Significant Size are the same, but dang if you arenโt describing the one at the one I work at. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:36:48 Your podcast's name made me laugh harder than any joke I heard in the last year. My god. |
Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:40:42 @barcode I'm glad it brought you joy because it is SO badly optimized for getting listeners. |
Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 15:07:33 You'll do fine in time. Surgeons shouldn't try look surgeony. |
Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 23:49:05 @barcode Confirmed true. Every year my father attends a wedding, blames the tailor because his tuxedo doesn't fit, I tactfully raise that perhaps he has been enjoying food in a manner that might not be entirely conducive to long-term health, repeat ad infinitum. The man's like one of the most famous surgeons in SEA. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:42:29 @ludicity The LLM output of the articles sounds a bit passive-aggressive, can you adjust a bit your prompt for the blog post? Ok, that joke was tasteless, what I literally hate is that EVERYTHING under the sun nowadays is called an AI. You know, things that 5โ10 years would just go by โalgorithmโ. Or โheuristicโ. Today for marketing purposes the same f%cking two if statements are already โAIโ. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 13:53:26 @ludicity I'm just here like, I want to learn the basics of the systems because the math seems cool and I want to make a bot to play an old game poorly. :V I really do hope the industry gets over itself soon, the amount of inertia this forest fire of a dump has is terrifying. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 14:04:47 @ludicity I may not vibe with the style, but itโs a great article anyway. Thanks! |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 14:29:30 @ludicity "I don't actually know what 'zero-trust' architecture means, but I've heard stupid people say it enough that it's probably also a term that means something in theory but has been sullied beyond all use in day-to-day life." Yeah, that's spot-on actually. Zero-trust used to mean "don't allow anybody to do something just because of their IP address" - i.e. place zero trust in the network. Now it somehow means more VPNs. No, I don' t know either. |
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Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 14:39:51 @ludicity Thank you. I am not a software person at all, but this answers all my suspicions about AI, and tells me I was right. |
Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:38:41 @Erik_Buchanan I feel like being on Mastodon makes you an Honorary Technology Person. (Also I just read the blurb for The Wire Noose and bought a copy ๐ ) |
Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 16:39:21 @ludicity Thank you so much! On both counts! |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 14:55:40 @ludicity as the only local support for 150+ users I'm fed up with users and managers trying to sell me "AI".. and I'm getting angrier and more confrontational every time, now I just ask them "how much energy and water was wasted in what you just did?" But lovand behold! This is the future!! Fuck that noise |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:05:01 @ludicity Love it. A reasonable take. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:06:42 @ludicity > if you continue to try { thisBullshit(); } you are going to catch (theseHands) My God. Yes. YEEESSSSSSSSSS |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:12:40 @ludicity THANK YOU. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:12:46 @ludicity Your rants are a beacon of sanity in a bleak world of technology circle jerking. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:15:27 @ludicity Gosh this read is cathartic as fuck |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:17:14 Tech, negative adjacent
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Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:33:58 @ludicity that try/catch line was absolutely fucking majestic |
Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:35:21 @gsuberland THANK YOU. I was so proud but out of 800K total hits, I think I only received like 5-6 people mentioning it. I was so proud of myself, I don't even write JavaScript. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:41:32 @ludicity โHow about you remain competitive by fixing your shit?โ Almost word for word what I keep saying at work ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:42:13 @ludicity |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 15:56:10 @ludicity Good read. "...these tools aren't good enough (yet) to assist me with this seriously." LLMs will never have the ability to design software or help designing it, as they cannot be creative (there's no thought process involved). Training them more and more or adding more computational resources will not change this. It's a bit like with Mr. Creosote in the Monty Python sketch. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 16:36:51 @thomasfuchs @ludicity They're great at "solving" (regurgitating answers to) problems that a human has already solved and that were scraped into the training data, but they're useless at problems not in their training dataset. So LLMs should be useful at designing software provided some data annotator in India has already done the work for the specific prompt you're requesting. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 16:04:34 @ludicity totally lost it at Synergy Greg. Going to use that a lot from now on. |
Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:34:09 @serpentroots Normalize calling people Synergy Greg! |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 16:18:24 @ludicity Cathartic read! Thank you ๐ |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 16:22:59 @ludicity Your post perfectly covers all the various misgivings I felt as this AI snake-oil rush kept gaining speed. Appreciate it a ton. I hope you have a wonderful and joyous week ahead. |
Föderation DE Mi 19.06.2024 16:24:19 @ludicity Thank you for taking the time to so eloquently express this. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 16:31:23 @ludicity "average person speaks 10 phonemes per second" factoid actualy just statistical error. average person speaks 0 phonemes per second. Synergy Greg, who lives on blockchain & speaks over 10,000 phonemes per second, is an outlier adn should not have been counted |
Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:33:47 @jef I read this on the day but was too overwhelmed to reply, but this SENT me lmao. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:04:31 @ludicity fucking hilarious. 10\10 |
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Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:09:26 @ludicity man, this rules so much. Thank you. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:22:07 @ludicity That point about organizations that i) cannot reliably manage a CRUD application thinking ii) that rolling a LLM into their stack is gonna revolutionize their warez is *fantastically* spot-on |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:24:45 @ludicity ๐ Masterpiece of wry understatement ๐๐ |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:36:22 @ludicity BEST. POST. EVER. Thank you. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:46:54 @ludicity I appreciate the segment about you visiting a less developed nation and how that made you feel about how funds in tech are distributed. |
Föderation EN Di 25.06.2024 14:31:03 @JacquesSmuts Animals Fiji takes $50 to fully spay/neuter/flea treat a dog. The database I found idling here (https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/i-accidentally-saved-half-a-million-dollars/) for $500,000 can be measured as TEN THOUSAND DEAD DOGS. These people can go fuck themselves. |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 17:48:07 @ludicity |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 18:03:37 @ludicity I cannot describe how cathartic I found reading this, bless you |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 18:07:00 @ludicity I (unwittingly) designed a Tshirt just for you... Medien: 1 |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 18:07:20 @ludicity I really like your writing style. Hearing someone articulate these things is very cathartic |
Föderation EN Mi 19.06.2024 18:12:43 @ludicity itโs โzeitgeistโ FWIW |