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Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:22:52

@SnowshadowII Do you like your instance? I'm thinking of switching.

I spend hours blocking on this one.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:27:35

@GottaLaff yes. I like it here. But you know your posts will trigger the same number of bots and trolls no matter where you go and our admin is by himself, no one to help so it might not be fair to him. I would contact him directly to inquire first. He has a day job as well.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:28:28

@SnowshadowII Oh. Hmmm. Then there's really no point.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:31:40

@GottaLaff I think you're better of on a larger server with more moderators.
Things should settle down a bit later, after the Meta and tik tok exodus quietens.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:40:10

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII
And keep in mind that the moderators/admins of other instances might not be in the same time zone as you and therefore might not be able to assist you when you need them most.

Things will settle down. Hang in there.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:42:35

@rotan I hadn't thought of that, true. @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:13:26

@GottaLaff maybe check with @stux and see if our instance would be a better fit? Enough moderators to help but not so big to be overwhelmed? @rotan @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:21:15

@Danetteb We follow each other. It was one of my choices, but still, bots find me. @stux @rotan @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:27:08

@GottaLaff @Danetteb @rotan @SnowshadowII You /could/ maybe easily setup your own instance viia masto.host πŸ€”

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:30:04

@stux I don't even want to try. I'm not at all tech oriented. @Danetteb @rotan @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:31:17

@GottaLaff @Danetteb @rotan @SnowshadowII That's the beauty of masto host, it's all via web interfaces, no tech knowledge needed :blobcathearts: but i understand the hassle

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 02:54:35

@GottaLaff @stux @Danetteb @rotan @SnowshadowII

FWIW, I self-host through @mastohost because I couldn't hack it on my own. And it's pretty easy to set up and keep running. Can't say if it would help the situation or not.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:31:17

@stux @Danetteb @rotan @SnowshadowII Besides, wouldn't I still be bombarded by the same fakes? I'd still have to vet, which is what takes so much time

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:40:52

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII

I'm sure I have no idea what its like w/ your # followers and what you have to deal with, but I for ones appreciates ya and what yous do.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:43:11

@tezoatlipoca Thanks. Between bsky and here, I spend hours a day blocking/vetting. It's so annoying. @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:04:19

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII anecdotally, I’m seeing comments about other servers blanket blocking mastodon.social. Laffy, that may be a consideration for you.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:24:20

@MrBirch Oh it is, a big one. @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:29:15

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII I remember when I first joined mastodon, I didn’t know any better, and chose Ravenation as the instance, LOL. Any instance is better than that. I mean, I like club music and all, but seriously, don’t chose that one…

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:30:58

@rlstone4dems It would have to be one that I know will stick around and moderate. So far, it seems it's meaningless to switch though. @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:45:51

@GottaLaff @rlstone4dems @SnowshadowII Why not ask the journalism and whatever news servers what their policies are. I'm guessing you're not interested in a small dedicated server like veganism.social but I switched to it as I'm vegan but also because they have a great moderator and great uptime. I don't have the followers you have but I never get any crap.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:57:21

@old_hippie @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII As a vegan, and a user with about the same amount of followers as you: Veganism.social sounds awesome! Didn’t even know there was an instance named that. I remember on ravenation I was limited to doing only certain things. I can’t remember what it was. I think I was trying to follow a certain person, and couldn’t. I think it was in part of being on a smaller instance.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:29:24

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII
Do you know of any list with domains or instances to block? That would be handy.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:30:23

@kcanales02 @SnowshadowII I do block some. But most are from my own instance.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:37:54

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII You might also look at cosocial.ca – it's a co-op and seems well run.
You are on the spammers' lists of people whose threads are seen by many people, so you can't escape spam for very long, but you might benefit from being on a smaller instance with more focused moderators.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:40:52

@samloonie I need an instance that's stable. I see too many of them fold. @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:57:06

@GottaLaff It's the curse where you're on the primary Mastodon instance, so it naturally where most people joining ends up. It also has to tolerate a lot to keep people around, or there's too many people to moderate -- a tolerated necessity.

It's why I'd now multi-account on that instance, but post from here. This is one of the instances where it's not the primary attractor, but still large enough it's not going to disappear.

Maybe the journalist instance (journalhost??) is better for you?

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:58:42

@ShrikeTron The bots will still follow me

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:50:00

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII

I am on Mastodon.world and am happy here.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:52:52

@MichaelBishop You have a much lower follower list though. I get onslaughts of bots. @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:54:05

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII true. Maybe there's a benefit to being a small timer. πŸ˜€

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:54:17

@GottaLaff that account has been suspended on my instance--our admin was fast!
@MichaelBishop

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:03:54

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII

No suggestions of which one to move to but I'm glad to hear you're considering it and really hope it works out

You deserve a better experience here given how much effort you put in

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:21:39

@HardBeingGreen Thanks, but it seems futile. Bots find me. @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:30:06

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII

I'm sure there's an instance out there that does a better job of staying on top of them, I doubt they'll stop them all but some would be a start

Best of luck 🀞

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:21:21

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII

What does it mean when you say "bots find me"?

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:28:48

@artemesia Some bots are activated by key words or phrases. ..they respond to posts and replies. For Example EVERY time I mention R u SSian bots, (Broke up the word for peace of mind) they enter my replies and jump in to my follow requests...not many but enough to be very annoying!

@GottaLaff

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:33:22

@SnowshadowII Right. @artemesia It means, all they have to do is see my posts and follow too.

I have so many boosts, they find me easily.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:18:44

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII
It’s worth it to learn more about this thing called , in my humble opinion the best way to go is to set your own instance and not be dependant on anyone’s time,
Disposition, etc.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:20:05

@Drip_Drip_Drip that's fine for techies and people who are not busy but some of us can't. @GottaLaff

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:22:23

@SnowshadowII @Drip_Drip_Drip I wouldn't even begin to try

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:25:02

@GottaLaff @Drip_Drip_Drip nope I have no desire. And you have a small home...servers take space and electricity, and then there's the problem with....ugh...never mind...too much of a headache. Better to pay someone to take care of it.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:29:07

@SnowshadowII @Drip_Drip_Drip I used to co-run a website. I'll never try to do anything even close to that again.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:23:21

@SnowshadowII @GottaLaff
I may add the busy part is only setting it up. Once it’s running you will go using it as you do any open instance right now.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:26:11

@Drip_Drip_Drip @GottaLaff
Tech *always* has glitches and problems...no thanks.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:33:46

@Drip_Drip_Drip

This is astonishingly glib and uninformed

As someone who has *actually* operated public-facing servers across a range of protocols (SMTP, DNS, httpd) public-facing servers are inherently non-trivial in their initial installation and in their necessary maintenance

You have no idea *what* you're talking about

cc @SnowshadowII @GottaLaff

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:31:01

@SnowshadowII I know a techie who decided to run his own instance and now he's back on someone else's because it was a pain that he just didn't want to deal with. @Drip_Drip_Drip @GottaLaff

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:32:31

@CStamp @SnowshadowII @Drip_Drip_Drip Exactly. Plus I'd STILL have to vet every follower.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:35:22

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII if you're looking for a very well-moderated instance, I'd suggest also looking at hachyderm.io. I imagine @mekkaokereke and @molly0xfff also deal with massive amounts of bots and other nonsense and can speak (publicly or privately) about their experiences with the mods on Hachyderm.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:38:42

@dave It they think it would make a difference in the number of bots who follow me, fine. I don't see anything that would do that. @SnowshadowII @mekkaokereke @molly0xfff

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:48:35

@GottaLaff @dave @SnowshadowII @molly0xfff

Honestly, I haven't experienced many bot problems since joining Hachyderm.β™₯οΈπŸ‘πŸΏ

I think I can remember two major bot spikes in my entire time here? Both were within a few weeks of each other, and were the same Japanese instance auto-generating new accounts that disappeared very quickly.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:16:03

@molly0xfff @mekkaokereke @GottaLaff @dave @SnowshadowII we try our best, sometimes a few sneak through: usually bots/spam accounts from the larger instances. key is having a mod and infra team that work well together :blobfoxheartcute:

prediction: over next next few years activitypub/fedi will have to adopt most of what email has built over the last 2.5ish decades

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:23:22

@esk @molly0xfff @mekkaokereke @GottaLaff @dave @SnowshadowII

The bots that auto-follow tend to be programmatically following the mastodon.social instance timeline & when they see a user they don't know, they attempt to follow it.

So because they're focused on a single server they don't really affect other servers.

We also tend to have some custom anti-spam scripts running, which massively cuts down on noise.

Föderation · Mo 20.01.2025 23:07:20

@mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io @GottaLaff@mastodon.social @dave@alvarado.social @SnowshadowII@beige.party @molly0xfff@hachyderm.io
They probably manually registered them on open-reg instances, though. I heard of a Chinese language instance being used to register spam accounts on the second spam wave. Their admin says the account reg has captcha enabled, and the time was random (so probably not done by scripts).

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:46:26

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII I'm happy with my instance, mstdn.social . It's not as large as mastodon.social, but not small either. @stux the admin does a very good job. I find I get much less junk here than I get on another account I have on mastodon.social. Hope this helps.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:27:52

@WizardBear I love stux, so I will consider. @SnowshadowII @stux

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:30:02

@GottaLaff @WizardBear @SnowshadowII Like with Eugen, it's my life πŸ˜‰ not on a dev level but still

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:32:39

@stux I know, it's one reason you'd be such a major contender. You are devoted to this. That means a lot, that your instance wouldn't fold. Plus we follow each other, have such a nice relationship. @WizardBear @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:50:31

@WizardBear @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII @stux I second this. I am also on mstdn.social with stux.

And it's great. Wonderful admin.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:56:03

@GottaLaff @Remittancegirl @WizardBear @SnowshadowII

I am also on uh.. oh wait. I mean, i am stux! :nkoWave:

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:58:05

@stux LOL, you dork. Well, it's very tempting, bc you ARE stux and I like me the stux. @Remittancegirl @WizardBear @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:16:18

@stux @GottaLaff @Remittancegirl @WizardBear @SnowshadowII AND we get pics of George and Washy from stux! Along with the excellent adminning (I have an account there, too.)

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:18:00

@arisummerland @stux and I follow each other, have for some time. I get to see all the fun stuff.

@Remittancegirl @WizardBear @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:01:58

@GottaLaff you’re welcome on mastodon.ameth.org if you’d like.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:08:21

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII I'm happy with Vivaldi Social, but I don't know anything about its moderation capabilities. You could ask.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:18:42

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII cosocial.ca is a co-op model for Canadians. Might work well for you?

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:21:26

@emd I like the look of it. But can it handle all the idiot bots that pester me all the time? @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 02:13:00

@GottaLaff cc @coop @mick how are we with bots? Laffy gets a lot. @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 03:31:13

@GottaLaff @emd @coop while this is more of a question for our Trust-and-Safety team, I can say that we keep an up-to-date blocklist and our T&S people are really on the ball. Tagging @timbray @evan @johannab

Mastodon.social has oodles of bots itself… you might find anywhere else better for that reason alone.

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 03:51:10

@mick @GottaLaff @emd @coop @timbray @johannab I'll be honest; besides Tim Bray, I think you have more reach than anyone else on CoSocial. We do a pretty good job with blocking and reporting at the account and instance level. One thing that might work is to create an alt at CoSocial and try it out for a while. If it works, you can move your main account here.

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 04:00:23

@evan @mick @GottaLaff @emd @coop @johannab We’d be honored to have ya, Laffy. We’re a BC-registered nonprofit co-operative, residents of Canada only. Built for sustainability. Warning: Not free, a big $50/year.

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 16:07:41

@timbray @evan @mick @emd @coop @johannab Thanks everyone. I’m still deciding.

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 21:33:36

@GottaLaff @timbray @evan @mick @emd @coop

Oh hi! Late to tag in, but ... define "bots" - which, if they're operated properly, respect the in profiles. In the case of follow and mention spammers - being a much smaller instance, there's a smaller proportion that hit us with more people looking out for them. We're able to be more agile than the team at the mothership instance, it's just a ratio situation.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:21:46

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII
I picked a server that was info security based and have been happy buying them coffees every month. In the Wild West, the guys who study security seemed the best play.
It does mean some work to follow folks that you don’t have being on the largest instance.
However bots and trolls have to do that same work too.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:19:31

@schmubba How is it work to follow folks? All I do is follow when I see someone I want to follow. @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:21:58

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII
I sometimes have to go to the server to follow.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:34:28

@schmubba I use the interface (deck) and just click from there. @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:52:59

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII Beige is great. I like it here. And if you were moved over here, I could block dot social forever. Plus we have 11K to write with, not the usual 350-500 limit. Our admin is @theropologist if you want to have a chat with him.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:14:23

@HarriettMB I'm not a fan of the long character limits, FYI>

As I've been saying, not sure how it'll help. The bots will still follow me, I'll still have to waste time vetting.

@SnowshadowII @theropologist

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:19:14

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII @theropologist What you need is an instance that blocks dot social. There must be at least one out there.

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:35:21

@HarriettMB Well, I could block it, so the instance doesn't have to. @SnowshadowII @theropologist

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:43:36

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII @theropologist Does that mean you are blocking yourself? πŸ˜‚

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:44:46

@HarriettMB Not if I'm no longer on .social, lol @SnowshadowII @theropologist

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:58:04

@GottaLaff

I Like this instance, but I'm also thinking of switching, but doesn't mean you'll lost contacts.

@SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:59:12

@WillyECoyote69 Why are you switching? @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:02:01

@GottaLaff

I'm not willing now ... but maybe because of music and 'dumb' gameplay images here.

@SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:02:24

@WillyECoyote69 Ugh, not my thing either. @SnowshadowII

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:30:00

@GottaLaff @SnowshadowII
I think the @mastodon instance is where the 'Elon Musk' account, that I blocked earlier, lives. It's the second time someone calling themselves elon musk has tried to follow me. I don't like it.

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:32:24

@Darkphoenix I don't know what instance that is. I get TONS of fake Elons following me. Nothing new. @SnowshadowII @mastodon

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:32:37

@Darkphoenix @GottaLaff @mastodon
It jumps instances. I have blocked it before and our admin recognized it.

Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 02:55:09

@GottaLaff silly question, but do you have the APPROVE FOLLOWERS option turned on? that could eliminate them right away at your pace, without them attaching to you so easily.... you can see their bios and slap the right away...