Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:22:52 @SnowshadowII Do you like your instance? I'm thinking of switching. I spend hours blocking on this one. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:27:35 @GottaLaff yes. I like it here. But you know your posts will trigger the same number of bots and trolls no matter where you go and our admin is by himself, no one to help so it might not be fair to him. I would contact him directly to inquire first. He has a day job as well. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:28:28 @SnowshadowII Oh. Hmmm. Then there's really no point. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:31:40 @GottaLaff I think you're better of on a larger server with more moderators. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:32:36 @SnowshadowII I agree. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:40:10 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII Things will settle down. Hang in there. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:42:35 @rotan I hadn't thought of that, true. @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:13:26 @GottaLaff maybe check with @stux and see if our instance would be a better fit? Enough moderators to help but not so big to be overwhelmed? @rotan @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:21:15 @Danetteb We follow each other. It was one of my choices, but still, bots find me. @stux @rotan @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:27:08 @GottaLaff @Danetteb @rotan @SnowshadowII You /could/ maybe easily setup your own instance viia https://masto.host π€ |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:30:04 @stux I don't even want to try. I'm not at all tech oriented. @Danetteb @rotan @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:31:17 @GottaLaff @Danetteb @rotan @SnowshadowII That's the beauty of masto host, it's all via web interfaces, no tech knowledge needed |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:32:47 @stux Hugs, stux! @Danetteb @rotan @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 02:54:35 @GottaLaff @stux @Danetteb @rotan @SnowshadowII FWIW, I self-host through @mastohost because I couldn't hack it on my own. And it's pretty easy to set up and keep running. Can't say if it would help the situation or not. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:31:17 @stux @Danetteb @rotan @SnowshadowII Besides, wouldn't I still be bombarded by the same fakes? I'd still have to vet, which is what takes so much time |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:40:52 I'm sure I have no idea what its like w/ your # followers and what you have to deal with, but I for ones appreciates ya and what yous do. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:43:11 @tezoatlipoca Thanks. Between bsky and here, I spend hours a day blocking/vetting. It's so annoying. @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:04:19 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII anecdotally, Iβm seeing comments about other servers blanket blocking mastodon.social. Laffy, that may be a consideration for you. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:24:20 @MrBirch Oh it is, a big one. @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:29:15 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII I remember when I first joined mastodon, I didnβt know any better, and chose Ravenation as the instance, LOL. Any instance is better than that. I mean, I like club music and all, but seriously, donβt chose that oneβ¦ |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:30:58 @rlstone4dems It would have to be one that I know will stick around and moderate. So far, it seems it's meaningless to switch though. @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:45:51 @GottaLaff @rlstone4dems @SnowshadowII Why not ask the journalism and whatever news servers what their policies are. I'm guessing you're not interested in a small dedicated server like veganism.social but I switched to it as I'm vegan but also because they have a great moderator and great uptime. I don't have the followers you have but I never get any crap. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:57:21 @old_hippie @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII As a vegan, and a user with about the same amount of followers as you: Veganism.social sounds awesome! Didnβt even know there was an instance named that. I remember on ravenation I was limited to doing only certain things. I canβt remember what it was. I think I was trying to follow a certain person, and couldnβt. I think it was in part of being on a smaller instance. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:12:10 @rlstone4dems @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII I've been very happy there. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:29:24 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:30:23 @kcanales02 @SnowshadowII I do block some. But most are from my own instance. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:37:54 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII You might also look at cosocial.ca β it's a co-op and seems well run. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:40:52 @samloonie I need an instance that's stable. I see too many of them fold. @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:57:06 @GottaLaff It's the curse where you're on the primary Mastodon instance, so it naturally where most people joining ends up. It also has to tolerate a lot to keep people around, or there's too many people to moderate -- a tolerated necessity. It's why I'd now multi-account on that instance, but post from here. This is one of the instances where it's not the primary attractor, but still large enough it's not going to disappear. Maybe the journalist instance (journalhost??) is better for you? |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:58:42 @ShrikeTron The bots will still follow me |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:50:00 I am on Mastodon.world and am happy here. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:52:52 @MichaelBishop You have a much lower follower list though. I get onslaughts of bots. @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:54:05 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII true. Maybe there's a benefit to being a small timer. π |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:57:43 @MichaelBishop No Maybe about it. @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:54:17 @GottaLaff that account has been suspended on my instance--our admin was fast! |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 20:56:34 @MichaelBishop @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII Thatβs where Iβm at. π |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:03:54 No suggestions of which one to move to but I'm glad to hear you're considering it and really hope it works out You deserve a better experience here given how much effort you put in |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:21:39 @HardBeingGreen Thanks, but it seems futile. Bots find me. @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:30:06 I'm sure there's an instance out there that does a better job of staying on top of them, I doubt they'll stop them all but some would be a start Best of luck π€ |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:21:21 What does it mean when you say "bots find me"? |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:28:48 @artemesia Some bots are activated by key words or phrases. ..they respond to posts and replies. For Example EVERY time I mention R u SSian bots, (Broke up the word for peace of mind) they enter my replies and jump in to my follow requests...not many but enough to be very annoying! |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:33:22 @SnowshadowII Right. @artemesia It means, all they have to do is see my posts and follow too. I have so many boosts, they find me easily. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:18:44 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:20:05 @Drip_Drip_Drip that's fine for techies and people who are not busy but some of us can't. @GottaLaff |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:22:23 @SnowshadowII @Drip_Drip_Drip I wouldn't even begin to try |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:25:02 @GottaLaff @Drip_Drip_Drip nope I have no desire. And you have a small home...servers take space and electricity, and then there's the problem with....ugh...never mind...too much of a headache. Better to pay someone to take care of it. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:29:07 @SnowshadowII @Drip_Drip_Drip I used to co-run a website. I'll never try to do anything even close to that again. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:23:21 @SnowshadowII @GottaLaff |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:26:11 @Drip_Drip_Drip @GottaLaff |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:33:46 This is astonishingly glib and uninformed As someone who has *actually* operated public-facing servers across a range of protocols (SMTP, DNS, httpd) public-facing servers are inherently non-trivial in their initial installation and in their necessary maintenance You have no idea *what* you're talking about |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:36:37 @FinchHaven Agreed. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:31:01 @SnowshadowII I know a techie who decided to run his own instance and now he's back on someone else's because it was a pain that he just didn't want to deal with. @Drip_Drip_Drip @GottaLaff |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:32:31 @CStamp @SnowshadowII @Drip_Drip_Drip Exactly. Plus I'd STILL have to vet every follower. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:33:25 @CStamp yes, same . @Drip_Drip_Drip @GottaLaff |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:35:22 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII if you're looking for a very well-moderated instance, I'd suggest also looking at hachyderm.io. I imagine @mekkaokereke and @molly0xfff also deal with massive amounts of bots and other nonsense and can speak (publicly or privately) about their experiences with the mods on Hachyderm. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:38:42 @dave It they think it would make a difference in the number of bots who follow me, fine. I don't see anything that would do that. @SnowshadowII @mekkaokereke @molly0xfff |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:48:35 @GottaLaff @dave @SnowshadowII @molly0xfff Honestly, I haven't experienced many bot problems since joining Hachyderm.β₯οΈππΏ I think I can remember two major bot spikes in my entire time here? Both were within a few weeks of each other, and were the same Japanese instance auto-generating new accounts that disappeared very quickly. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:07:10 @mekkaokereke @GottaLaff @dave @SnowshadowII likewise, very few issues! |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:16:03 @molly0xfff @mekkaokereke @GottaLaff @dave @SnowshadowII we try our best, sometimes a few sneak through: usually bots/spam accounts from the larger instances. key is having a mod and infra team that work well together prediction: over next next few years activitypub/fedi will have to adopt most of what email has built over the last 2.5ish decades |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:23:22 @esk @molly0xfff @mekkaokereke @GottaLaff @dave @SnowshadowII The bots that auto-follow tend to be programmatically following the mastodon.social instance timeline & when they see a user they don't know, they attempt to follow it. So because they're focused on a single server they don't really affect other servers. We also tend to have some custom anti-spam scripts running, which massively cuts down on noise. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:28:49 @thisismissem @esk @molly0xfff @mekkaokereke @GottaLaff @dave @SnowshadowII oooh that explains that! |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:17:52 @Luk All good info, thanks everyone! @thisismissem @esk @molly0xfff @mekkaokereke @dave @SnowshadowII |
Föderation · Mo 20.01.2025 23:07:20 @mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io @GottaLaff@mastodon.social @dave@alvarado.social @SnowshadowII@beige.party @molly0xfff@hachyderm.io |
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Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 21:46:26 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII I'm happy with my instance, mstdn.social . It's not as large as mastodon.social, but not small either. @stux the admin does a very good job. I find I get much less junk here than I get on another account I have on mastodon.social. Hope this helps. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:27:52 @WizardBear I love stux, so I will consider. @SnowshadowII @stux |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:30:02 @GottaLaff @WizardBear @SnowshadowII Like with Eugen, it's my life π not on a dev level but still |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:32:39 @stux I know, it's one reason you'd be such a major contender. You are devoted to this. That means a lot, that your instance wouldn't fold. Plus we follow each other, have such a nice relationship. @WizardBear @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:32:42 @GottaLaff @WizardBear @SnowshadowII @stux @stux is wonderful! |
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Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:50:31 @WizardBear @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII @stux I second this. I am also on mstdn.social with stux. And it's great. Wonderful admin. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:55:02 @Remittancegirl Good to know. @WizardBear @SnowshadowII @stux |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:56:03 @GottaLaff @Remittancegirl @WizardBear @SnowshadowII I am also on uh.. oh wait. I mean, i am stux! |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:58:05 @stux LOL, you dork. Well, it's very tempting, bc you ARE stux and I like me the stux. @Remittancegirl @WizardBear @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:58:58 |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:02:30 @GottaLaff @stux lots of us loving Stux! π@Remittancegirl @WizardBear @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:03:25 @Danetteb Oh that's right, you're there too! |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:58:52 @stux @GottaLaff @Remittancegirl @SnowshadowII π π π |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:16:18 @stux @GottaLaff @Remittancegirl @WizardBear @SnowshadowII AND we get pics of George and Washy from stux! Along with the excellent adminning (I have an account there, too.) |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:18:00 @arisummerland @stux and I follow each other, have for some time. I get to see all the fun stuff. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:01:58 @GottaLaff youβre welcome on mastodon.ameth.org if youβd like. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:24:27 @koree TY |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:08:21 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII I'm happy with Vivaldi Social, but I don't know anything about its moderation capabilities. You could ask. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:18:42 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII http://cosocial.ca is a co-op model for Canadians. Might work well for you? |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:21:02 @emd @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII Seconded. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:21:26 @emd I like the look of it. But can it handle all the idiot bots that pester me all the time? @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 02:13:00 @GottaLaff cc @coop @mick how are we with bots? Laffy gets a lot. @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 02:14:19 |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 03:31:13 @GottaLaff @emd @coop while this is more of a question for our Trust-and-Safety team, I can say that we keep an up-to-date blocklist and our T&S people are really on the ball. Tagging @timbray @evan @johannab Mastodon.social has oodles of bots itselfβ¦ you might find anywhere else better for that reason alone. |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 03:51:10 @mick @GottaLaff @emd @coop @timbray @johannab I'll be honest; besides Tim Bray, I think you have more reach than anyone else on CoSocial. We do a pretty good job with blocking and reporting at the account and instance level. One thing that might work is to create an alt at CoSocial and try it out for a while. If it works, you can move your main account here. |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 04:00:23 |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 16:07:41 |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 21:33:36 @GottaLaff @timbray @evan @mick @emd @coop Oh hi! Late to tag in, but ... define "bots" - which, if they're operated properly, respect the #nobot in profiles. In the case of follow and mention spammers - being a much smaller instance, there's a smaller proportion that hit us with more people looking out for them. We're able to be more agile than the team at the mothership instance, it's just a ratio situation. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:21:46 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:19:31 @schmubba How is it work to follow folks? All I do is follow when I see someone I want to follow. @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:21:58 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:34:28 @schmubba I use the interface (deck) and just click from there. @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:52:59 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII Beige is great. I like it here. And if you were moved over here, I could block dot social forever. Plus we have 11K to write with, not the usual 350-500 limit. Our admin is @theropologist if you want to have a chat with him. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:14:23 @HarriettMB I'm not a fan of the long character limits, FYI> As I've been saying, not sure how it'll help. The bots will still follow me, I'll still have to waste time vetting. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:19:14 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII @theropologist What you need is an instance that blocks dot social. There must be at least one out there. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:35:21 @HarriettMB Well, I could block it, so the instance doesn't have to. @SnowshadowII @theropologist |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:43:36 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII @theropologist Does that mean you are blocking yourself? π |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:44:46 @HarriettMB Not if I'm no longer on .social, lol @SnowshadowII @theropologist |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:58:04 I Like this instance, but I'm also thinking of switching, but doesn't mean you'll lost contacts. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 23:59:12 @WillyECoyote69 Why are you switching? @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:02:01 I'm not willing now ... but maybe because of music and 'dumb' gameplay images here. |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:02:24 @WillyECoyote69 Ugh, not my thing either. @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:30:00 @GottaLaff @SnowshadowII |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:32:24 @Darkphoenix I don't know what instance that is. I get TONS of fake Elons following me. Nothing new. @SnowshadowII @mastodon |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:32:37 @Darkphoenix @GottaLaff @mastodon |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:34:02 @SnowshadowII Are you referring to the instance (universeodon) or the account? @Darkphoenix @mastodon |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:39:10 @GottaLaff Account. @Darkphoenix @mastodon |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:40:17 |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:43:28 @GottaLaff sleep...uhmmm...try to sleep well. I'm sure many of us will have problems with it. <hugs> |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 01:02:38 @SnowshadowII @Darkphoenix @mastodon β€οΈ |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 00:49:00 @SnowshadowII @GottaLaff @mastodon |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 02:55:09 @GottaLaff silly question, but do you have the APPROVE FOLLOWERS option turned on? that could eliminate them right away at your pace, without them attaching to you so easily.... you can see their bios and slap the right away... |