@wikipedia And yet, the Ship of Theseus page remains, thus proving a bird in the hand is worth two stitches in time.

@wikipedia

Has all of the pieces of the original article been repaired and recycled into a new article? 🙂🤷‍♂️

@wikipedia @jeff 🤣🤣🤣

@wikipedia Ah but the title, metadata, and database id is. Check and mate Wikipedia.

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No toilets?

@wikipedia #FutureSelf

@wikipedia
Of course, i gotta ask, is it the same article?

@wikipedia its not even the same article smh

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Hard to believe it's the same article

@wikipedia See also, Trigger's broom. 😁

@wikipedia perfect, no notes.

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Ah, the infamous Web Article of Theseus.

@wikipedia this is the most perfect moment. Thank you

@wikipedia IYKYK

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How many full replacements though?

@wikipedia I suspect that this was noticed before the article had completely removed all of the original text, motivating editors to look for synonyms that they could use to replace the remaining original words. So it's kind of a Ship of Thesaurus.

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<chef’s kiss>

@wikipedia hilarious

@wikipedia
Has "Trigger's Broom" been affected in the same way but in larger chunks?

@wikipedia history is written by he or SHE or person beyond the binary who last edits 🤪

@wikipedia I took all the discarded pieces and reassembled them so it is mine now.

@wikipedia #onbrand

@wikipedia careful! You could start an edit war when someone reinstates the original article saying that it is the true “Ship of Theseus” page

@wikipedia That's such a cool example of, um, a text&editing version of “quine”?

@wikipedia i wish i was a ship of theseus

@wikipedia if AI replaced all human thought processing, then at what point would the historical information no longer be of human intelligence and of truth, now only AI data....and is it now the new dominant intelligence on earth (and beyond)?

@wikipedia a web resource and its represenations

@wikipedia the Broom of Trigger

https://youtu.be/56yN2zHtofM

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@wikipedia whoever the Wikipedia PR person is, they deserve an attaboy/attagirl/attaX for this. 😘🤌

@wikipedia :chefkiss:

@wikipedia exactly the same process occurs in the cells in the human body, continually changing and renewing.
You are not what you were.

Are you still you?

@wikipedia took me a few moments to realise and appreciate the depth of this toot.

@geniodiabolico you’re not the only one with the Ship of Theseus idea 🤣

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@wikipedia wow, misread as "July 2023" and was utterly confused

@wikipedia The modern version is exactly what would happen if (as some ppl demand) license plates on bicycles were introduced. When is it still the same bike? We have fixed that for cars, but with quite an effort.

@wikipedia see Triggers Broom

@wikipedia I first learned of Ship of Theseus when looking up Trigger's Broom, from UK sitcom Only Fools and Horses. It had 17 new heads and 14 new handles.

https://youtu.be/LAh8HryVaeY?si=51TjrxxuLnJt2GgM

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In the U.K. this is know as Trigger’s Broom.

@wikipedia It's the axe of my grandfather

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First of all, if the ship of Theseus had been built of iron, it would have rusted anyway, and that would have been irony irony.

But more to the point, this is irony enough, in a world where facts and concepts are being rotted with anti-facts and anti-concepts, prompting the need to continually repair words and philosophies.

@wikipedia My windows installation was asking me the same question about my computer.

@wikipedia This is why Wikipedia is a great launching off-point, but a horrible source for citation in anything remotely journalistic or academic. I feel similarly about most 21st century dictionaries. No editions anymore -- just endlessly updated content.

@wikipedia
But is it the same article?
@Walrus

@wikipedia Just realized that to Windows, my computer is a Ship of Theseus that still is fine with my license somehow even after changing the motherboard and CPU (switched to AMD) where the only original part is the power supply. (I knew but forgot it was a Ship of Theseus already, just never thought about the Windows license part).

@wikipedia Meta!

@wikipedia

The practical application: The human body is made of cells, each of which has a useful period of operation no greater than several years at most, regardless of type or location. Over the course of an average human lifespan, every cell in your body will have been replaced concurrently by new cells at least six times. To end the entire Ship of Theseus stupidity, when did you cease being you?

@wikipedia 😄

@wikipedia ah but the philosophical question has been replaced by Trigger's Broom.
https://youtu.be/LAh8HryVaeY?si=VxiApdvkx80Je9J_

@wikipedia almost prophetic 😊
„Some of its boards rotted and had to be replaced.
After many, many years, many such replacements occurred. Eventually, none of the original boards were present.“

@wikipedia @leigh 😂👏

@wikipedia That's not the ship of Theseus page! Or is it?

@wikipedia Can we unthank Andeggs for ruining this meme way back in 2006? lol
Second pic shows the final remaining text that existed in the article prior to a rewrite.

Medien: 2

@wikipedia It's come up as a question of identity in people within SF already as a question of when does 'you' cease to be if your body parts are replaced over time, yet for that entire time you maintain the interrupted stream of consciousness we call our self awareness. (interruptions: sleep, comas, blackouts, anesthesia.)

I'd note that in the human body, it is considered that every cell is replaced at least once every 15 years. - https://www.questdiagnostics.com/patients/blog/articles/do-my-cells-really-change-every-7-years

You're you, as everything changes.

@wikipedia good one!

@wikipedia @briankrebs fucking exquisite…that's all i have to say about this

Jæja gott fólk, besta færsla allra tíma hefur verið fundin.
Þið megið skrá ykkur út og hættta að skrifa á alla samfélagsmiðlum, keppninni er lokið.

@wikipedia meta philosophy

@wikipedia Sounds like an invitation to make an animated gif..

@wikipedia Same with an article in the German Wikipedia I had begun many years ago, using an even older article on my website. It's the article about the Interrupt Request (IRQ) in computers: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt

@wikipedia Theseus grows old.

Over the years he loses friends, and makes new ones. He learns about himself and the world he lives in. He has kids. He loses his wife, not terribly young but still much too soon. He takes up dancing. At the age of 64 he dies peacefully, surrounded by his children.

Is Theseus still the same man who bought the boat, all those years ago?

@wikipedia Whoa! (which could also work for this Trigger character)

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." —Theseus

@wikipedia Yeah, that's the other thing. Why bother to write something on Wikipedia if it's only going to last five minutes? (I have added a few things. They've all gone.)

@wikipedia that is so lowercase em meta

@wikipedia not at all unexpected.

@wikipedia@wikis.world the real question is how many times did it lose 100% of itself

@wikipedia wonderful.
"I have my grandfather's axe. My father replaced the head and I replaced the handle."

@wikipedia how meta!

@wikipedia old airplanes are like that. Most parts time out and get replaced. A pilot of an old DC-3 told me jokingly that the only part of the original plane left was the identifier plate on the instrument panel.

@wikipedia Your body is also similar. I remember, probably incorrectly, that all of the cells in your body die and are replaced in a 7 year timespan. Yet the 'you' that is reading this will still be 'you' in 8 years. The real brain twister is does your liver, or any discrete part of 'you,' have a consciousness independent of 'you'?

@wikipedia motherfucke—

@wikipedia you would never be allowed to publish a page this small today.

This shows what is lost so clearly.
You used to be able to draft some sentences on a topic and rely on other people's additions and edits.

Today you get bullied to write the whole article plus proof all on your own

@emilvolk oh good I found my last reply to this, wow it's already over a year ago xD
https://birdbutt.com/@colinstu/111597774421181995

@wikipedia 😂

@wikipedia I often think about the modern embellishment. If a scholar publishes a paper, which then gets digitized, citations hyper-linked, converted to Unicode and formatted to render on all devices, read into an LLM, and spat out by a chatbot, is it still the same paper?

@wikipedia

🛳️⛴️⛵🛶🚤🛥️

🤣🤣🤣

@wikipedia

Hi, my name is Theseus and I'm a boat builder and a sailor. A few centuries ago I bought a very old and quite famous wooden sailing boat for the price of one drachma and since then I've been rebuilding that boat from the keel up …

@wikipedia please tell me there's a 'See also: Triggers Broom' and a like to a YouTube clip of 'Only Fools and Horses'

@wikipedia

Love Wikipedia

@wikipedia The UK Supreme Court was right to rule that trangender women are not real women and transgender men are not real men under the Equality Act 2010. This means that it is legal to exclude a trans women from a female only space and this is a good thing. Long Live the UK Supreme Court, the Labour Party and the Chinese Communist Party. https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf Fuerdai

@wikipedia The UK Supreme Court was right to rule that trangender women are not real women and transgender men are not real men under the Equality Act 2010. This means that it is legal to exclude a trans women from a female only space and this is a good thing. Long Live the UK Supreme Court, the Labour Party and the Chinese Communist Party. https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf