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· Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 08:52:51 Medien: 1 |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 17:39:09 "What about Ender's Game? By Orson Scott Card?" Oh I'm sorry kid, I never heard of that." "Here try this one: Light from Uncommon Stars by Ryka Aoki" |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 17:45:29 @benroyce |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 17:48:58 true and specifically: orson scott card is a vile homophobic and racist bigot |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 19:58:28 @benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive All this name calling is unnecessary. |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 20:00:18 @JosjeT @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive hello my friend there is no name calling merely an objective description of well established behavior and statements orson scott card is a vile homophobic and racist bigot |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 20:01:56 @benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive What's in a name? Labeling opinions is not the same as labeling people. |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 20:06:33 @JosjeT @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive so let me help you out here my friend if you say homophobic statements, proudly and openly for years, you are a homophobe that's just the simple objective truth and? why does accepting this fact bother you? |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 20:08:49 @benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive If you have dismissed someone as a person, you stop listening. That's why. |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 20:13:07 @JosjeT @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive now we get to the delicious irony in your empty denial of the obvious orson scott card is dismissing homosexuals as people, and does not listen to them. orson scott card denies homosexuals their humanity for doing that, he is the problem here, not people accurately pointing out that he is the problem you can't go through life shouting "no, u!" sometimes you need to accept painful truths you do not like |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 22:27:47 @benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive Shouldn't we focus on the painful truth about ourselves. He who is without sin... |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 22:59:54 @JosjeT @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive you're speaking to Orson Scott Card with these words correct? because he is a homophobe, and that is wrong correct? are you trolling weakly or are you genuinely trying to tell everyone how confused you are on this topic? |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 12:35:06 @JosjeT @benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive Yeah - the painful truth about Orson is he's a homophobic racist. Hope this helps! |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 16:22:35 @KFuentesGeorge @benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive it seems clear to me that it doesn't help steering the world to a brighter further. But if itakes you feel better go for it. |
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Föderation EN Fr 19.04.2024 18:40:54 @JosjeT @KFuentesGeorge @benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive How does giving a platform to people who scream irrational hatred and never listen steer the world to a brighter place? It doesn't. > But if itakes you feel better go for it. Condescension is the classic signal of a troll. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:39:32 Calling someone a bigot or a racist is not "dismissing them as a person". In fact, you can't be a racist or bigot without being a person. Calling someone a racist or bigot implicitely recognises their personhood. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 16:25:21 @jozeldenrust It's socially useful to be on the side where all the name callers live. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 16:33:16 @JosjeT |
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Föderation EN Fr 19.04.2024 18:38:32 @JosjeT @benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive When someone screams hatred, you should stop listening to them. Life is very short. Having discussions with people who have ideas different from you is important; listening to angry, screaming lunatics who will never in a million years listen to you is not a good use of our limited time. |
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Föderation EN Fr 19.04.2024 18:36:18 @JosjeT @benroyce @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive Orson Scott Card has gone out of his way repeatedly to boost his very negative opinions about homosexuality of any sort. He is a proud and outspoken opponent of homosexuality. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 16:29:06 @benroyce @JosjeT @j_bertolotti @fullfathomfive OK, but other than the fact that he said and did homophobic and racist shit nonstop, what evidence do you have that Orson Scott Card was homophobic and racist? Checkmate. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 17:48:29 |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 20:08:43 I'd never read those books until I was a fully grown adult in my 40's As a result, I was underwhelmed by them. But I imagine that if I'd read them as a kid in my early teens... I'd have enjoyed them a lot more. The best books I've read in the last decade has been the Expanse series from James Corey. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 00:08:15 @benroyce @fullfathomfive Yes I know he was a homophobe but I can't really take them seriously either. |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 17:45:35 Reply guy A points out that in Monstrous Regiment, the protagonist from a culture with rigid sex roles ends up as a woman dressed up like a man dressed up like a woman dressed up like a man and muses over whether cussing would be appropriate now. |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 17:46:21 @fullfathomfive I never really got into HP and started on Discworld about a year ago. |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 17:48:02 @fullfathomfive And face it, #DiscWorld is wat better than Harry Potter! Seriously... |
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Föderation PL Mi 17.04.2024 17:55:18 @fullfathomfive ^this |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 18:10:08 @fullfathomfive |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 22:20:34 @dougiec3 @fullfathomfive my partner has the set on the shelf (if it was mine it would probably be ashes) and I was noticing how obvious it is that Joanne stopped being edited at a glance. Books 1-3 are of reasonably normal length and the book 4 and on are like a billion pages long |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 15:59:42 @wotsac @fullfathomfive |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 18:33:51 @dougiec3 @fullfathomfive true, but the abruptness of the shift speaks to her being a person who needs a steadying presence or she'll show her entire ass. Which... |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 18:43:43 @fullfathomfive KYAL!? Are you from an alternate timeline? |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 18:47:34 @fullfathomfive crivens! whut aboot us, ye daftie |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 19:45:04 @fullfathomfive thanks for passing this on! Vaguely aware of Terry Pratchettโs name from Good Omens, but never took note of Discworld. Adding it to a reading list. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 02:35:28 @bntn @fullfathomfive top tip for Discworld - start with the later books, they're much better written. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 12:23:21 @therefromhere @fullfathomfive is there a guide or opinion on where to jump in? A Discworld โMachete Orderโ? |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:12:46 @bntn @fullfathomfive it's more pick a thread if you want to follow development of a particular set of characters. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:48:46 @therefromhere This is great help. Thanks for chiming in! |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 20:06:40 I feel like @rhipratchett would wholeheartedly support this idea. Some of us have always been on the side of the Great A'Tuin and it's denizens. |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 20:12:24 @fullfathomfive And/or the works of Ursula K. Le Guin who is a far better role model for female fantasy writer than Rowling will ever be. And was both progressive as heck, AND still open minded enough to evolve ever further over the years. Pratchett and Le Guin absolutely beat the crud out of Rowling's derivative wizard school (heck, even the name Harry Potter was used before her. In 1986 movie Troll. Which was also about magic & had Harry Potter Sr & Jr). Medien: 2 |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 05:42:34 @Carnivius |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 06:55:27 @mizblueprint @fullfathomfive And published in 1969 too. I once used it as an example to some folk on twitter some years ago where I told them some of the themes before revealing the year it was published. And as expected, some idiots claimed it was "woke propaganda" and "gender ideology insanity fad". After I told them it came out in 1969 I was called a "liar" and "trying to rewrite history". With what? A time machine? Neither the TARDIS or Delorean toys on my shelf are really capable of that ๐ |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 20:19:25 @fullfathomfive I am so sure he even wrote a dig against JK in one of his stories! Sadly, I cant remember which though. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:36:51 @JohannaMakesGames @fullfathomfive I seriously doubt that. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:43:25 @sbi @fullfathomfive Not a dig for outselling him, for being a transphobe. I will keep an eye out if I can find out the story and quote again. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:47:42 @JohannaMakesGames @fullfathomfive She outed herself as a transphobe a a year or two (or three?) ago โ long after Pratchett ceased to be able to say anything anymore. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 14:16:45 @sbi @fullfathomfive I read this quote in raising steam โIn Ankh-Morpork you can be whoever you want to be and sometimes people laugh and sometimes they clap, and mostly and beautifully, they don't really care." Its of course my very subjective view on this quote. It felt Like he wanted to say: in my world, ppl can be themselves |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:44:48 He wasn't ever overtly mean to her, but he poked fun at her multiple times. He made a crack about Rincewind announcing he was gay just after she said Dumbledore was gay. And then there was this |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:51:38 @fullfathomfive @JohannaMakesGames The latter incident was when her newsgroup exploded in uproar, which was cross-posted to the Pratchett group, which resulted in incredibly long and tiring discussions, and he came to deny that "he had taken a swipe at her". |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 21:50:45 Medien: 1 |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 22:05:18 @fullfathomfive Daniel Radcliffe for Carrot |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 22:40:27 @fullfathomfive "But it was never her hat. It couldn't be. The only hat worth wearing was the one you made for yourself, not one you bought, not one you were given. Your own hat, for your own head. Your own future, not someone else's." - A Hat Full of Sky You know, I never thought about that passage as a commentary on the Sorting Hat before, but it could be! |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 22:50:17 @fullfathomfive in my humble, there is no comparison for depth, width, humour and sheer enjoyment #GNUTerryPratchet |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 23:24:44 @fullfathomfive YES! TERRY PRATCHET FAN FOR LIFE! |
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Föderation EN Mi 17.04.2024 23:38:44 @fullfathomfive We all live in interesting times. Sir Terry had the last laugh. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 01:24:49 @fullfathomfive I started with Small Gods shortly after graduating college and officially declaring that I would no longer be a Practicing Catholic. Recently listened to it on audiobook on a road trip with my still Very Catholic father who thought it was amazing. Highly recommend. |
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Föderation · Do 18.04.2024 02:32:12 @fullfathomfive@aus.social I keep trying to get my kids to read Discworld, but they wouldn't know funny if it bit them on the nose. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 02:39:01 @fullfathomfive random internet find so I can't speak on the quality but this is probably useful for those of us who are a bit lost in front of the shelf Medien: 1 |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 02:51:01 @fullfathomfive oh, I miss The Sassiest Semite |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 03:09:53 Sir Terry (the only knight I recognize) is the GOAT. Shakespeare meets Tolkien meets Monty Python! |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 05:39:58 Not being a Pratchett head, I have to ask: Does 'know you are loved' occur in his books, or is it the reference to Bodies that it seems to be? |
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Föderation EN Mo 22.04.2024 06:14:15 @NilaJones @fullfathomfive I believe it is a purely Bodies reference. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 06:14:19 @fullfathomfive I wish I could like Discworld, but ... every time I try to read one I come away cold. It's just not my jam. ๐ Thankfully Harry Potter was also never my jam! ๐ฅณ |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 10:38:03 @zdl I won't try to change your mind, so don't panic! Can you remember which ones you've tried? Perhaps there's a disconnect between you and the contexts, and that would help me (and others) get a handle on why this is the reaction some people have. Thanks. CC: @fullfathomfive |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:02:24 @ColinTheMathmo @fullfathomfive The first one is easy to remember since I think it's the first one published: The Colour of Magic. The second one is harder: someone suggested I read one of the later books because they're better. Witches? Is that a novel? This was in the '90s. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:22:13 @zdl Yeah, it's reasonable to assume Colour of Magic is a good starting place because it's the one that got published "On Merit", but it's really not a good one. It improves once you've read other things by TP and see his "voice" at the beginning. And I don't much like any of the Witches series ... you might be thinking of "Witches Abroad". My personal favourite is "Guards! Guards!", but again, it's fairly early. You might get along better with the "Industrial Revolution" series, such as the one where they invent an early version of the internet, or where they revive the Postal Service. If you fancy giving it another go, you can try this quiz: https://www.discworldemporium.com/quiz/ I really, really enjoy reading Pratchett, but there is a *huge* spread, and sometimes it just takes the right one to get into the swing of it all. Let me know if you'd like to give it another try ... happy to chat about the pros and cons, swings and roundabouts, ins and outs, and whatnot. But also, feel free to ignore me. CC: @fullfathomfive |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:23:38 @ColinTheMathmo @fullfathomfive "Witches Abroad" was the one, yes! But no, thanks for the offer, but after two books of a given author I move on. There's a lot of stuff to read and limited time to read it. Currently I'm working through books of Chinese minority folklore. |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:25:55 @zdl Totally fair enough. I'm attracted to TP because of the range, the play with language, and the cultural cross-references I keep discovering, but life is short, the galaxy of books is large, and choices must be made. Whatever else happens, I hope you find joy in reading. Cheers! CC: @fullfathomfive |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 13:54:49 @ColinTheMathmo @zdl @fullfathomfive Pratchett books are much like a prog rock band's albums: early books are crammed full of amazing ideas, but it's lacking structure so badly, you have to put effort into just going with the flow. Later books show all the things he learned about structure, but they're building on a relatively small number of ideas. The middle period is excellent. For thematically the same stuff as the main Witches parts, but a significantly more polished (if childlike)... |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 09:05:03 @fullfathomfive |
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Föderation EN Do 18.04.2024 09:54:59 @fullfathomfive definitely. Get into Pterry and it's a lifetime of delight. |
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Föderation EN Fr 19.04.2024 19:30:46 @fullfathomfive Heck, Terry Pratchett even knew how to treat luggage like humans, and then apologize because the luggage was sore offended to be so minimized. (And then of course, there's Granny Weatherwax: "[S]in, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. Thatโs what sin is.") |
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Föderation EN Fr 19.04.2024 19:48:51 @fullfathomfive Now I gotta get to actually re reading the Discworld books that I have at home! |
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Föderation EN So 21.04.2024 07:55:14 @fullfathomfive |
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Föderation EN So 21.04.2024 08:29:53 @fullfathomfive 'the fanbase is exhausting' but in that delighted toddler just having the best time sence of 'exhausting' not 'i need to explain why mocking minorities is bad' sence of exhausting :P |
