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· Föderation EN Do 30.01.2025 16:36:25

@revk Yes, the mirror reverses front and back. It's not so much gravity but more our (approximate) bilateral symmetry which causes confusion. If we were crabs with one claw bigger than the other or if our kidneys were visible it'd all be more obvious.

Föderation EN Do 30.01.2025 16:38:23

@edavies Ok what I mean is mirror reverses nothing. We expect it to be reversed as if a person facing us would be. The mirror reverses nothing - what is my right is right in the mirror, not reversed. What is my top is top in the mirror, not reversed. The issue is if I was facing a person such as myself I EXPECT a left / right reversal that is not there.

Föderation EN Do 30.01.2025 16:41:02

@revk @edavies Hmm, not following this reasoning.

What about a mirror image of text? It appears reversed left-to-right, but not top to bottom? But if we position the mirror above the text, then we get vertical reversal but not horizontal.

Föderation EN Do 30.01.2025 16:43:44

@uastronomer @edavies
OK it is simple.

My face facing a mirror.

Right side of my face is seen on right
Left side of my face is seen on left
Top of my face is seen on top
Bottom of my face is seen on bottom

NO REVERSAL AT ALL BY MIRROR.

But if I was facing myself, with no mirror, I would expect that the left side of the face I am looking at would be on the right. That is how it is when we face another person.

So I EXPECT a left/right reversal that I do not see in a mirror.

Föderation EN Do 30.01.2025 17:50:12

@uastronomer @revk Exactly, the reversal is through the plane of the mirror - it's just how we conventionally rotate to look at the image which is confusing.

If I'm looking north at a mirror in front of me, so to the north, then the image of my head is still up, of my feet is still down, of my right hand is still to the east and of my left hand still to the west.

However the image of my front is to the south of the image of my back, contrary to my real position.

Similarly with text. If there's some writing on a wall behind me in the above scenario then the round side of a letter 'P' is on the west in both the real world and in the image in the same way that the vertical bit away from the loop is still down.

Because of the north-south swap effect of the mirror, though, we're now viewing the text as if from the south - i.e., though the wall (OK, let's pretend it's text on a window).

Because of the way we tend to walk around in the world we imagine going to look at the other side of the window by walking, rotating about our vertical axis, so now we label left and right the other way round.

Föderation EN Fr 31.01.2025 01:01:12

@uastronomer@mastodon.monoceros.co.za @revk@toot.me.uk @edavies@functional.cafe A mirror does not reverse text. Your pointing it away from you did that. Consider text written on a sheet of clear plastic. Which way round would you hold it to read it? Now stand in front of the mirror with that sheet parallel to the mirror. Can you read it both off the sheet directly and in the mirror reflection at the same time?