@schwedenpete I don't think this is fair. Theoden was a very decent man, and once a great warrior, who was corrupted by powerful, calculating evil forces. Once freed of them, he returned to greatness, however short-lived. T-ball has always been a worthless piece of shit and always will be, with or without anyone's influence. This implies that without Elmo, T-ball would be a great man, and that's absolutely false.