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Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 05:43:25

not my story from reddit:

Please be careful - we were deported from the U.S. for just wanting to backpack

I want to share what happened to me and my best friend last month when we tried to begin our backpacking trip in the U.S. Maybe it helps someone avoid the same nightmare.

We are 19 and 18 years old, from Europe, and we arrived in Honolulu from New Zealand, with the plan to explore the islands first, and then fly to the mainland after to explore California. We had booked only the first 2 nights in an Airbnb, just to be flexible with our plans - like we did in New Zealand, and like many backpackers do. We had the onward ticket to the next destination in Asia but didn't book domestic flights in the U.S. for the same reason.

At passport control they took us aside for “additional questions.” At first we didn’t think it was such a big thing, but then it became very intense. They were asking us why we didn’t book more nights or domestic flights, what our plans were, how we can afford to travel, and especially about work. We do sometimes small freelance jobs online (like translating or design stuff, for customers back in Germany and sometimes also Asia, not the U.S.), and we mentioned that - which was maybe the biggest mistake. It was also in the e-mails that they accessed.

After a while they told us we are not allowed to enter the U.S., that we are “inadmissible.” They said we were trying to work illegally, which we didn’t. We had onwards tickets and just wanted to travel.

But they didn’t care. They took our phones, our passports, and put us in handcuffs - that moment was surreal. Like, you’re a tourist and now you’re treated like criminal. They wanted to send us back to Auckland on the next flight, but we asked to rebook our onwards tickets for the day after, so we could continue with our travels. They agreed but said that we will be detained for the night. We agreed, having no idea what to expect, thinking that we would maybe wait in the same room that they interviewed us. But no.

They drove us to the detention center in Honolulu. I think it was called FDC prison, close to the airport. It was a real jail. Metal doors, locked cells, cold air. And they made us do a full strip search. It was really cold. We had to undress completely, including bra and underwear, and even had to squat and spread… I don’t want to describe it in too much detail, but it was humiliating and scary. We were alone with a female officer, but still… you don’t expect that as a tourist.

After that they gave us green prison clothes and put us in a cell overnight with two other women - who were actually bragging to us about their cartel connections and implying that they were serious criminals. It felt like a movie, but not a nice one. Of course we didn't not sleep even for a minute. I'm not picky, but the food was another horror story.

The next day they stripped us down again, we changed back into our clothes, and they took us straight to our plane - two officers returned our passports and escorted us to our seats as the door was about to close. Just like that. They also told us that if we want to come to the U.S. again, we cannot use a visa free system anymore.

So yeah… please be very careful if you plan to backpack in the U.S. Book all your accommodation in advance (even if you plan to change later). There are many fully refundable options - and we thought about it, but decided that it wouldn't be necessary. And don’t mention any remote work or freelancing and make sure to log out of any e-mails that could be used as evidence of it. And know that if something goes wrong, it’s not just “denied entry” - it’s jail, strip search, and total loss of control.

We are still totally shaken from it and feel like we did something wrong, even if we didn’t mean to. Just wanted to share, because I would have never imagined this could happen. My feeling is that backpacking culture isn’t understood or accepted at U.S. borders right now. Be careful!

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Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 05:58:46

@amiserabilist Many are recommending burner phones if you travel to America. They can and likely will search your devices, so protect yourselves.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 06:04:49

@amiserabilist We are hearing more and more of this being done to people trying to visit our country, I apologize for everything that happened to you both. I urge others to learn from your experience and not come here. This risk of being harassed is not worth it.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 07:23:39

@amiserabilist You didn't do anything wrong. America has gone full-on fascist.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 08:11:37

@amiserabilist It is generally suspicious to just pass through country for short periods with almost no luggage so questioning and inspection is not unusual, but the rest is. If they don't find any drugs or anything else illegal they usually let you go. Assuming visas and or other paper stuff was all in order.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 08:40:27

@amiserabilist I mean, doing work for company in your country from abroad is none of America's business, really. That's like saying answering business email abroad is illegal.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 08:57:37

Those are very complicated legal questions. Corporations usually use specialized consultancies to ensure compliance.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 10:56:27

@tessarakt

Bollocks. That only applies when paid in the US. Normal commerce would stop if business travel really was only attending meetings.

Yes that is what you say at entry if asked because it's simpler.

Travelling as a tourist managing your own itinerary does have a risk because you're not in a convenient box for Immigration and Customs.

The US is now a no go country for self propelled travellers.

If they ever stopped a business traveller US trade would sink all the faster.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 11:00:09

@simon_lucy For other EU countries, my employer needs to apply for a social security certificate in advance. Same thing now apparently even exists for India...

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 11:05:28

@tessarakt if you're working in the EU then you have Freedom of Movement. Visiting India requires a Visa for any purpose.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 10:06:55

@rejzor @amiserabilist whether you like it or not, going to another country and working there even for a firm back where you are a citizen is legally a bit of a minefield. The EU can make it happen due to their tax agreements, other countries not so much.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 10:17:31

@rejzor @amiserabilist Or visiting a scientific conference.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 08:27:32

@rejzor

when i went i did not even have an address.

they seemed incredulous that i would turn up with no plan what so ever.

i found my way to Vegas and made great friends.

10/10 but will not visit again.

even then i could not get used to the gunfire.

we can't stop here, this country is batshit insane.

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Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 08:37:23

@amiserabilist

On the one hand, I don't think tourists should be treated like that. But I also think other people should not be treated like this either.

It's clear that as young white German women (I've seen a foto - unless there are two different stories about German backpackers detained on Hawaii...) they didn't expect to be treated like this. Somehow I think that if they had been Black German women they would have been less shocked.

And the end, where they think the problem is "Backpacking culture not being understood in the USA". Yeah I'm sure this is simply a cultural misunderstanding...

By the way, how do they think asylum seekers are treated at the EU's borders?!! They're not criminals either, seeking asylum is legal.

The two backpackers are drawing a very clear line between "criminals" and themselves. They are not complaining about the treatment of the other women because the others are "serious criminals".

The more I hear about people complaining about "being treated like criminals" the more I'm starting to think they are completely okay with criminals being treated in a shitty way, they are just appalled that they are confused/mixed up with "criminals".

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 08:45:12

@Mab_813

the reddit post has been deleted but it seems the same pair.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1

there were lists of names in Thailand of backpackers in jail for drugs wanting visitors.

things can go from 0-100 fast.

know the laws and don't work on a tourist visa.

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Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 08:54:39

@amiserabilist so you planned to work and mentioned that. Yeah, of course that was a mistake. Why do digital nomads think they are exempt from this kind of laws?

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 09:31:50

@tessarakt @amiserabilist it's letter of the law, but it ignores the intent of the law. If someone from the US visits Greece and continues to do remote work for clients in the US, they are not taking jobs from Greek citizens, but are spending as a tourist. If on the other hand they stay in the US (where they live) and take on remote work for clients in Greece, in that case potentially they are taking work from Greek citizens, but since there's no travel involved, there are no visa issues.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 09:10:03

@amiserabilist thanks for the description. I've the feeling that you were still lucky not to be snatched away several weeks like Jessica Brösche.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 09:20:54

@amiserabilist USA becoming worse than north Korea in record time.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 09:33:10

@amiserabilist

Wishing you both a good recovery (not that you can fully recover from maltreatment). Reaching out and telling your story should help with that though

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 09:48:13

@zleap

it is not my story.

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 09:51:51

@amiserabilist

I appreciate that, but the 2nd part of the response will hopefully encourage others to come forward with their stories on here, and hopefully prompt nice responses back

Föderation DE Mo 21.04.2025 09:49:38

@amiserabilist If you plan to go to the US, plan as if you are going to China or Northkorea.
I travelled around the world in 2019 and even then, the US was something to deeply check before you go. They were the worst, but almost all countries I visited have strict and strange laws. They all ask for a ticket to leave the country. I learnt six legal ways to get around this limitation. The US had a tough time learning I have no social. Media account. :-) I could continue, but you get it

Föderation EN Mo 21.04.2025 11:16:49

@amiserabilist Why is anyone even thinking of travel to Trumpistan?