Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 21:42:51 When I talk about digital privacy, there is always some smug genius who shrugs and tells me, "Who cares? We all know we don't have any privacy anyway." Nothing could be more wrong. Convincing you that the fight is already over to the way people in power get you to stop resisting. |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 21:43:56 @evacide I saw you on PBS last night! |
Föderation EN Fr 17.05.2024 00:12:54 @SteveBellovin @evacide when? Where? |
Föderation EN Fr 17.05.2024 02:10:58 @benjistokman @SteveBellovin @evacide You can watch it online here: |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 21:45:58 @evacide I like to fight! |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 21:49:06 @evacide |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 21:49:10 @evacide I see this a lot too. Regular people seem to assume compromise at all times. And to tell the truth, sometimes reporting on infosec makes me want to roll back the internet and throw all my devices into the sun, but _most_ of the time, it's very empowering to know that we actually have a fair amount of leverage over our privacy even in today's world, and some pretty normal habits can go a really long ways. |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 21:50:21 @evacide It's exactly the same strategy as "there is no point in voting". |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 21:50:26 Also so what if they think "I have nothing to hide" (they actually do). It's pretty easy to understand that many (really all) people have very reasonable, legal, and valid reasons to have some privacy. |
Föderation EN Fr 17.05.2024 00:15:43 @JessicaTaylor |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 21:54:37 @evacide Just because a lot of my privacy is already eroded doesn't mean I should let anyone else's be. |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 21:55:02 @evacide It’s either pretense or cowardice, either way fuck ‘em |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 21:56:11 @evacide it just feels futile sometimes when the US government is so influenced by corporate interests. We can vote but getting better reps feels random without voting reform (and probably abolishing the senate) |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 21:56:47 @evacide TBH, also, when it's the people in power whose privacy is invade, they get legal. Most of us don't have those resources (see IRS data for billionaires becoming public and the response, compared to Tesla sex videos). |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:01:42 @evacide If you’re too cynical to accept that it is possible to maintain some degree of privacy and that bad actors and institutions can’t perfectly monitor everyone at the same time, at least develop the spite to make it as goddamn difficult for these fucks to get your data, |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:02:20 @evacide i mean… that's literally the case for any and every cause. |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:07:55 scott mcnealy's "privacy is dead. get over it." still makes me gnash my teeth. sure, it's easier to give up. but we don't have to and i'm too cussed to just let the bastards have their way with no effort. |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:14:10 @evacide i just had that conversation the other day i need a 5 minute comedy routine that points out what is wrong with this who cares about privacy argument..:anyone got any leads? |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:19:53 @meshe Tell them to take their clothes off. |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:54:32 @evacide @meshe also, no more bathroom doors! It's not like anyone is unsure what's going on, there. Why even try to have privacy, then? |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:53:29 |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:23:57 @evacide @thegibson I think it's worth engaging this topic if the interlocutor is good faith. Many if not most people I talk to believe they do not have privacy. We (infosec) should have something to day with that regard. |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:27:50 @evacide |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:31:01 @evacide EXACTLY THAT! Instead I'd recommend people to start #CryptoParties even harder and go all in! Teaching #TechLiteracy and how to use @tails_live / #Tails, @torproject / #TorBrowser, #PGP / #enc and all the other tools is kinda vital... #CryptoParty |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:43:04 @kkarhan I worry that these days, people will think a cryptoparty is a cryptocurrency thing 😭 |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 23:34:17 @jo Nah, #CryptoParties are older than #NFTs! Also none if those will promote #Shitcoins, in fact they'd not talk about #Cryptocurrencies AFAIK at all... Ask @cryptoparty@chaos.social & @cryptoparty@bonn.social ... |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:54:31 @evacide For me the key is picking your battles. There's no way i'm gonna live modern life with my digital self 100% perfectly sealed up. But I don't see that as a reason to to just do nothing. I think part of make people NOT do nothing is letting them pick their battles, because making it all or nothing is what makes them choose nothing and go "eh, nothing we can do it's futile". Protecting yourself 100000% against the invasions on our privacy is not going to happen, so to me the important thing is not having 100000% be the goal in the first place. There's some stuff I have to let go or put up with for now, but I am constantly working on improving my own privacy, fighting against threats to that privacy, etc. I've seen privacy advocates who go to the point of being digital hermits, "can't even own a cell phone" kinda thing, which is fine if that's what they want to do but it's way too much to ask of most people. I think that's when people start feeling like it's futile, because they feel like the options are throw their phone in a swamp or do nothing. There's plenty of options in-between of Doing Something and Making Things Better for both yourself and everyone else. |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:55:30 @evacide Thank you for saying this. I've been replying this way to people - less concisely and eloquently - on this subject for some time now. The right to privacy does exist - not enough people defend it from the onslaught. Thank you for the work you do. |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 22:57:22 Medien: 1 |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 23:04:40 @evacide What would you have us do? The companies themselves aren't going to self-regulate. There's no competition, really, so you can't vote with your money or feet. Legislation is a nonstarter in the United States because that country is a basket case -- and since that's where all of the major players are, the US are the only country with the ability to impose real consequences. The courts in the United States are very clearly on the side of the money. What levers do any of us have to pull? |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 23:05:14 @evacide We can't even get our leaders to take existential threats like Climate Change seriously! |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 23:19:30 @evacide that, or the people who say "I have nothing to hide" |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 23:19:51 @evacide "the people become defeatist" is what I heard somebody say in a call earlier today re how we respond to pressure to give up our self governing power and I'm not sure it matters whether it's more forced or more embraced but the defeatism is all kinds of dangerous |
Föderation EN Do 16.05.2024 23:48:46 @evacide I don't mind them taking my data as long as I get something in return. It's the freeloaders that bother me. |
Föderation EN Fr 17.05.2024 00:12:58 To hell with them. You have been doing good work for as long as I can remember. You continue to be an inspiration. Thank you more than words can pronounce |
Föderation EN Fr 17.05.2024 00:35:17 Establishing a private life is a way to avoid totalitarianism. Totalitarians do not want any privacy to exist. Here is Timothy Snyder Discussing as such, taken from his book "On Tyranny." |
Föderation EN Fr 17.05.2024 00:45:02 @evacide the most will care future. you never know, what happen and it's not possible to delete history and leaked data later than and will follow you forever. It's may not problem now, but could be in future. |
Föderation EN Fr 17.05.2024 00:53:33 @evacide Just because the internet doesn't are for privacy, doesn't mean we have to willingly give it up... |
Föderation EN Fr 17.05.2024 01:22:30 @evacide I've a friend like this, when we were both security consultants. My position is always that it may be true of some past data, but that doesn't mean it has to mean all and future data. Walls can be repaired. |
Föderation EN Fr 17.05.2024 01:40:42 @evacide best part is that the companies that theorically get money from that are so monopolistic that It isn't any longer a viable method of getting money |